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congrats

in my last post i forgot to congratulate u for your efort max, seeing as i was rushing. am glad u understod about control before i spelt it out on the board. good going!!!

control

first and foremost i am a rational thinker, so for me to even sugest a method to kick the habit is not likly. however i think a resolve is needed but to build one u must 1st understand your obssesion. the "why" the "drive" even the "why not" and everything in between. after that it stops being a habit and becomes a choice and then fortified by a resolve. one can never truly quit a habit because its basic nature is a phscalogical repitive choice. tke cntrl of that choice.

Re: Frot free for a long time now

The great success story, Max Mond. And I love the word "Frot Free".

Frot free for a long time now

Hello all,just checking in and saying hello. I'm frot free, guilt free, and never late to work for a long time now. I avoid crowded areas, aggressive women with swinging arms, etc.

g86 - I was addicted. Like with tobacco or alcohol, addictions enslave you and you are out of control. I wanted self control back in my life, so I wanted to quit frotting. And fortunately for me, I used mar

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ok g86, so what we can do to stop this hobby?

tsk tsk

so no one can anser that q. if u dont know why then ull never quit. build a resolve first then fortify it. if u cant then ur all worthles. no one is an acidental chikan

Re.Hey Max is my hero

Blackie you didn't hear?

Max Mound said he is a fake he never actually touch womens, he like creative writing on the main board.

but what so creative about writing on the quiting board less if you really do have a problem. there go your prof he not a fake. LOL

curiosity

why do you all want to quit ???

Hey Max is my hero

Max,

I am very much inspired by your post on giving up. I see that once endorphins have been increased in the blood. Frotting becomes less from what i can see.

I am going to study kungfu as i am doing too much frotting now

Can't quit

Hello everyone, just wanted to say that I definitely have a problem and I'm not sure if I even want to quit. I'm doing my activities sometimes for many hours a day. Last summer I will honestly say I was out for like 5-8 hours a day looking to cum on girls.

For me getting out and on the hunt is the most thrilling experience I have in my life. I also need and have an urge to cum o

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Re: Martial Arts

I think when you are slimmer from before, you still have the same amount of testosterone, but less weight. So you feel it more. That adds to the enlightened happy state as well. Even if you don't lose weight, you can still benefit from exercise as more blood is flowing, carrying happy hormones faster to your cells.

Re: Martial Arts

I guess that that is similar to jugging high but also better in duration, isn't it? And sure it will work. It will work but because I will be too tired to do any addiction BEFORE I get high. :)

Martial Arts

The 300 jumping jacks, 200 pushups, 100 situps as a warmup will get rid of any addiction. Trust me, when you are done with the workout, you feel high for 2 days. Your senses are heightened. Time begins to slow down, days are longer. You begin to notice little details you never noticed before. You begin to notice the cool breeze, the dew in the morning, the bright and warm sun, the subtle fragrance

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re:when you are upset

Yes, Max Mond, alcohol and even shopping help to relieve stress. But I didn't think of martial arts!

re:when you are upset

I too have this problem. Everytime I have a bad day or too much stress, I have to have a woman near me. Since I don't have a gf again, the urge to frot is stirring. I haven't really been agressively frotting like before, but somedays, I just need it to get through the day. Like ayashi says, I think its an addiction. Like other addictions, it needs to be controlled. So, I've enrolled

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re:when you are upset

I afraid that you are very near to frottoholic. Like alcoholic and other holics, holic is not just attachment to something. Holic is a vicious circle. You drink because you are depressed and you feel depressed because you know that you are drunkard. If your "getting off on a woman" inevitably make you more depressed afterward (luckily you are not sometimes), your condition becomes worse and worse. (If so, you really need professional help before it become the worst.)

Re.when you are upset

I guess when I'm upset i look for some relief and by getting off on a women butt help me calm down but the fact is that it make me feel depress afterward and when I'M happy and getting off on a women butt then it not so bad as long as it goes smoothly and the women don't put up a fuss or get disgusted of me.

when you are upset

I guess that when you are upset, you have less self-control. Even though you do not have more urge to rub, you cannot stop it because you are mentally unstable. How do you think?

Re Ayashi

Hi Ayashi. I know for me that in the pass if i had a bad day and i get upset for what ever reason i have the urge to rub up against a women and i go out looking for a women in a crowded bus or train and it happen around rush hour and i can not figure out why i feel that way when I'm upset.

re: I found this article in the archives

That's interesting article. Though I do not agree with "low esteem" thing. We are rather high sex drive thrill seeker. And we are not violent. No wonder she finds him as a sweet, romantic lovable gentlemen who wouldn't hurt a fly.

I found this article in the archives

My experiences as a frotteur (Sat 19 Jan 2002 16:21:38 GMT)

Gents,

The girl that I now love doesnt know anything of my once frotteur habits. She seems me as a sweet, romantic lovable gentlemen who wouldnt hurt a fly, In my opinion people who frotteur, do it for a number of reasons, a number of reasons seem to bring about this urge to do this kind of thing.


For me I guess

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Re . Man of the year and Jmoney

Thank you Alex and Master ayashi for the award for man of the year but really the credit goes to the guys that started it I am just happy I can talk about it.


Hello JMONY. I know what you mean I'M am never 100 percent sure that I want to quit either. But I have quit different time and felt pretty good about my self.
I am alway thinking about humping and grinding a chick ass.Best thing is if you don;t have opportunities. Key is to stay away from crowds.

I had a bad running last month that good of got me jail time . I will explain later. Kyle

hey

I am still not completely sure if I wanna give this up 100%. I have tried to stop before and it is hard. I mean you can always fondle or hump at a bar and not risk of getting caught but on the subway and stuff there is a chance to get arrested.

About imagining things

What about my best friends gf, that I've posted earlier. She is always touching me? I stopped going to his house. It is shameful for me to feel horny when she touches me. She's rubbed just about every part of her body at some point or other, all "accidentally", on my feet, hands, arms. Whats going on there? I'm not imagining that. It really happened. They used to be like family, until she started doing the frotting moves on me which feel like taboo. Definitely not into friends' girls. I'm really not into it. I avoid her at all costs. I only meet him alone now.

Re: Shogun

You're right Shogun...

Whether my frottage frequency is real or not, its definitely not safe for me to continue frotting. I am not a forgettable person. When you see me once, you will remember me by my large and gregarious build. I get a lot of attention everywhere I go, even when I'm doing nothing. It could be the undercover cop was following me. Perhaps I've been on their r

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Re: Max Mond - Another reason to quit

Max Mond wrote: "If women want to chikan, what can i do?"

The first thing you can do is snap to reality and stop all of your own "creative writing" about how all these women approach you to chikan. None of us believe that is happening with the frequency that you suggest, and nor should you. Like I've said before, one of the quickest ways for a chikan to get himsel

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Another reason to quit

Alex,

I got caught by undercover police. Fortunately, the woman was game and didn't say anything. But it could have gone bad. What if she didn't like and only kept silent because she was confused? What if she spoke up against me. I'd be arrested, embarrassed, and have an arrest record. That would be horrible. My future employers would know. This is an omen for all nyc chikans to quit. There is so much police at all the chikan hotspots. This is scary enough to quit while I'm ahead, like at the casino. But I have shamelessly lost all the guilt that I used to feel. If women want to chikan, what can i do?

Re.I don't feel guilty

Come on now Max mond. is it not part of denial justifying by saying women making advance to you instead you are really making advances to them, you see that is our addiction we can not stop touching womens we do the crime so if you what to talk that garbage' post it on the main board.

I don't feel guilty

I quit doing anything anymore. There is so much police around, in uniforms and plain clothes. You can smell them. I just place myself near women I find attractive, and just stay there in a good position. Its up to them if they want something. This is has been good to me, close to 75%. But I don't feel guilty as i'm not forcing myself onto anyone. Technically, I'm not doing anything, but getting stuff done on me. This is much better.

New Train

I've moved to another office in the same company. So i take a different train. This train is full of suburban MILFs. One olderish woman stood next to me with one arm clutching her small bag and another free. I felt her looking at my crotch. I knew she wanted to feel. At the next stop i got pushed away from her by the crowd coming in. After a few minutes, she moved close to me, even though no

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Award

webmaster's special mention goes to Kyle for his quiting board contribution.

Re: Man of the year on the quiting board

Hello Alex. That's brilliant idea. Yes, I invite the man of the year to stop frotteurism.

Man of the year on the quiting board.

Hello ayashi. I just want to say thanks to Kyle for helping me out when I was going through hard time trying to quit groping a 11 month ago. Kyle help keep this quiting board last for a while.

I would like to nominate Kyle for the man of the year for all the good advise on the subjct on trying to quit groping if you allow sush award that would be new to the board.
Kyle if your tune in please come back. Thank you .

Alex

Re I'm losing the urge.

That a good thing, but after two years in the relationship you will have the urge again.
My thing is now is the Bar women and 24 hour donut shop gals rubbing against them while playing video games.

I'm losing the urge.

I'm dating a new girlfriend. Nothing serious so far, but I feel it may become serious. Since I started seeing her, I've been losing the urge to touch or get touched by strangers on the subway. I still do it if someone wants to touch me, but I'm not seeking it.

I want to stop

If you can have professional help, yes, I advise you ask help.

I want to stop.

For a while, I eagerly read the boards, and didn't participate in any Chikan. But this weekend, I tried my first chikan experience. I was at a concert and I grabbed ass and what not. I really want to stop but I feel a yearning towards Chikan. I've just begun and I already wanna stop. I know its wrong but I wanna know how to stop? I don't have a gf, and I'm a teenager so I think its partly lies in that, but I know there's something deeper. Has anyone really stopped and if so what did it take? Should I seek help?

Abstain in Moderation?

Abstain in moderation! lol. Thats funny. I meant when I abstained, it reduced my appetite for transit chikaan, but wans't able to stop it. Kind of like reduced calorie diet for an overeater will set his appetite. Abstainence for a few weeks is slowing me down and keeping me employed in reputable professions.

Abstinence

Aha! so, even abstinence has moderation.

Abstinence

My recent abstinence hasn't curbed my urges totally, but it has slowed me down a bit. I don't go on the prowl looking for action like I used to. I also don't look for it as much, it usually comes to me on its own now. Actually, I don't have a gf, but I have a few regular willing "chikanees." Could it be they are collectively providing female attention that I badly need and require, and somehow subsituting in a limited way, for a gf? I haven't spoken to any of them, nor do I intend to. Then it won't be fun anymore. Right now I'm enjoying this kind of semi-strange women, whose names I don't know, but whose bodies and faces I can't forget.

Games in public

Hello guys. I haven't post it on here for a while. I see there new members on here from the main board, Welcome.
I fell off the wagon a few time already since my last post.

My new style of rubbing against women's ass is a new technique I developed with women I know and women I meet.

I go to bar or dinner that have those game machine like poker solitary. I pick a machine

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You feel like Mark Twain - Max Mond

You can keep quiting many many times. And next time you may quit a little longer.

Previous message should be: I was not able to quit forever this time

I am back in transit chikaan scene.

I was able to quit forever this time

Hi guys,

Like a bad addiction, I've unquit after breaking up with the same girl who I had broken up with earlier, for the same reasons. But this dry spell has helped me cut down on encounters. Whereas before I would take the train just for this, I am now going straigt to work, only taking the opportunity if it presents itself. So there is a positive change. As with all other addictive things, I am taking this one in moderation -- so far.

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Thank God I've quite before I was caught or humiliated. I think what happened to you is that when you were drunk, you were doing what you normally do, or were in that mode. But because you were drunk, you didn't realize the situation. A similar thing happened to someone i know. Its a little different, but it describe consequences of getting caught doing things you pretend not to do. He

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Hi,

I am the anonymous who posted below about my uncontrollable psychological urges to handle and rub up against attractive women. Basically I am a really respected guy, not at all violent, intelligent and educated, thoughtful, unconfrontational. But I do have a dark spot, that being chikan. None of my peers were aware of it at all because I did such a good job keeping it under wraps until

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